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Old 07-29-2010, 04:51 PM
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BSK...I am aware of your position. We have all read it before.

And I promise, you'll read it many, many times again in the future!


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It also gets young hunters and others pumped up about hunting.

Pumped up for what, hunting or hunting monster bucks? Are those shows producing realistic expectations in those hunters? Will frustration over not acheiving those expectations lead them to drastic and possibly unethical behavior in pursuit of that monster buck that is so easily obtained on TV?


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You all should really lighten up.

You're the one that seems to be bent out of shape about TV hunting show "haters."


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Maybe all the food plot pictures some show is misleading to the average food plotter. Should i hate on u for that?

That depends. Are the pictures and information presented by those on this site accurate representations of what they have achieved? Have they been honest about how much time and work went into those plots? As long as they are being honest, I have no problem with them. Of course, I also have no problem with "food plot haters," and they do exist in great number, whether they have an ethical problem with food plots or they are non-landowners who are jealous, it doesn't matter. Everyone has a right to their opinion and to express that opinion. If you want to "hate" on food plots, have at it.
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Old 07-29-2010, 05:29 PM
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BSK...I am aware of your position. We have all read it before.

It also gets young hunters and others pumped up about hunting.

Eddie....I am not saying living is ok...they need b-roll to help make a story. I am sure it wad heat of the moment and not done on purpose as far as the shooting stick. I would bet that they have no stick sponsor.

You all should really lighten up.

Maybe all the food plot pictures some show is misleading to the average food plotter. Should i hate on u for that?

I don't watch much outdoor television myself, but I can promise you that if one of my employee/editors made that type of mistake (no shooting sticks in one shot/shooting sticks in the next) he'd be looking for another job. The fault first lies with the field producer who got "caught up in the moment" and failed to do his job correctly. After that, any outdoor editor worth his salt would have caught the mistake and kept it from the air.

And that brings me to what I do HATE about the outdoor television business. Hundreds of individuals who, after years of watching hunting shows and DVD's decided it was time to do it themselves. With no formal training, without any real idea of what or how they would raise advertising and airtime money, they figured....... "What the hell, if Waddell can do it....... I can do it."

The end result has been a "watering" down of our industry to the point that very, very few people can make a living doing it. Sponsors are bombarded daily from every nickel and dime operation in the country. So much so, that we've now seen a total withdrawal from the industry by many sponsors. Don't believe me? As my friend Brad Farris told me on the phone yesterday, "We're no longer going to be doing The Truth About Whitetails, the market is just too flooded with shows for us to make money.

Son, when Primos Hunting Calls is canning shows we have a major problem. Still, it IS a problem that will take care of itself. Within the next year to 2 years, this cycle will finally complete itself and many of the shows that don't belong will be gone. The internet continues to become a great way for small budget operators to reach the public without having to raise sponsor money for network airtime.

Hopefully, we'll see a mass exodus of the smaller, poorly produced shows. I understand that a vast majority of these individuals don't do it to make money, they do it for the fun of it or the chance to travel and hunt on someone elses dime. The problem with that line of thinking is this. When you put yourself on television, in front of thousands of people, you should be ready to hear negative comments. It comes with the territory. So when someone on here makes a negative comment about outdoor television, it's simply part of the game.

Hell, I love Steely Dan and think their the BEST musical act in the world but if I started a thread on here about them asking others what they thought of them, I'm sure I'd hear plenty of negaive comments. It comes with the territory.
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Old 07-29-2010, 05:40 PM
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Well said John.
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Old 07-29-2010, 06:23 PM
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You all should really lighten up.

Maybe all the food plot pictures some show is misleading to the average food plotter. Should i hate on u for that?

If someone posted pictures of their foodplot, and I found out that they didn't actually grow that plot, then I would feel the same way. I would lose all respect for that person and not listen to another word he has to say. It's called integrity. If they're going to lie to me about that, then what else are they willing to lie about.

Where's the line between "misleading" and "lying"?
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Old 07-29-2010, 06:29 PM
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I am sure it wad heat of the moment and not done on purpose as far as the shooting stick. I would bet that they have no stick sponsor.


The are indeed sponsored by a certain company which produces shooting sticks (which I don't want to name because that's just rewarding the product placement), which is why I know it was not an accident. It's also why it made me so upset.
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Old 07-30-2010, 01:04 AM
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i think all the huntin hotties need to get together and make a fishing show were they wear bikinis and say nothing at all
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I believe what you saw was a poor decision from the field producer and ultimately a really bad decision from the editing department. Hopefully they will learn from their mistake(s) and I am confident they already know it.

Be the best as you can possibly be and do the best you possibly can no matter what you choose to do in life. Those were the principles I was raised on and that is how I try to live my life after years of trying to figure out which direction to go. There are a lot of great talents on tv hunting shows and I enjoy watching a few of them. When something comes on that I dont care for, I simply turn the tv off or change the channel. It is that simple for me
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I believe what you saw was a poor decision from the field producer and ultimately a really bad decision from the editing department. Hopefully they will learn from their mistake(s) and I am confident they already know it.

Be the best as you can possibly be and do the best you possibly can no matter what you choose to do in life. Those were the principles I was raised on and that is how I try to live my life after years of trying to figure out which direction to go. There are a lot of great talents on tv hunting shows and I enjoy watching a few of them. When something comes on that I dont care for, I simply turn the tv off or change the channel. It is that simple for me

Finally someone making a comment out here that makes sense.
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[quote=BSK_;312098]deerlover,

Why does it upset you so much that some hunters/managers don't like hunting shows? I mean if it's just entertainment, who cares?
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It doesn't bother me one teeny tiny bit that you don't like hunting shows. It bothers me when someone who doesn't watch them has such a high negative opinion about them.
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I don't watch professional basketball on TV either. I don't want to support the multi-million-dollar contracts of criminals and criminal wannabes. Who cares? It's no skin off anyone's nose.


Finally, we agree on something....
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